tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1350318808703965214.post7916541658167161131..comments2024-03-24T19:29:46.463-07:00Comments on Ancestral Discoveries: Oops, I've Stepped on Someone's Toes ....Janice M. Sellershttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08466785140555595069noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1350318808703965214.post-59266548170662483312014-07-11T14:21:18.780-07:002014-07-11T14:21:18.780-07:00Christine, thanks for posting. I'm sorry to h...Christine, thanks for posting. I'm sorry to hear about your negative experience with Mr. Eastman. It appears quite a few people have had similar experiences. I suppose I should be happy he didn't accuse me of anything but simply declined to post my comment! - JaniceJanice M. Sellershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08466785140555595069noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1350318808703965214.post-44898977083137670122014-06-17T19:46:26.179-07:002014-06-17T19:46:26.179-07:00Thanks for the support, Ann! There seem to be two...Thanks for the support, Ann! There seem to be two clear camps — those who actually use the dictionary to try to define a word, and those who want to defend Colleen Fitzpatrick at any cost, not matter how poorly their arguments are put together. The debate on Mr. Eastman's blog unfortunately degenerated when Dee Dee King politely asked in several posts for just one instance of forensic Janice M. Sellershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08466785140555595069noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1350318808703965214.post-43807258116378317042014-06-17T19:38:41.150-07:002014-06-17T19:38:41.150-07:00Loved your blog post here, Janice. In all of my r...Loved your blog post here, Janice. In all of my research as well, your definition appears to be accurate and consistent with other learned Forensic Genealogists, e.g. Leslie Lawson. It's too bad some people feel the need to be the all-knowing. I certainly am not. I'm still learning after 36 years, and still continue to learn. And feel free to edit my response if I missed something! Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18125985129847518735noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1350318808703965214.post-23776137931590048682014-06-17T10:52:44.946-07:002014-06-17T10:52:44.946-07:00Thanks, Leslie, but it doesn't look like it...Thanks, Leslie, but it doesn't look like it's having any effect. Even though the comments that were raised in no way impugned the quality of the research that CF has done, the last couple of posters decided to take it upon themselves to defend her work. I don't know if they don't understand the difference between her work and her vocabulary, or if they're trying to obfuscateJanice M. Sellershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08466785140555595069noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1350318808703965214.post-71825013671804043672014-06-17T05:35:34.748-07:002014-06-17T05:35:34.748-07:00Thank you Janice. It appears you, Dee and several ...Thank you Janice. It appears you, Dee and several others brought some educational material to light for Mr. Eastman. Hope he is able to rethink his post.leslielawsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01989388855284668564noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1350318808703965214.post-2544844081456581622014-06-16T17:08:30.146-07:002014-06-16T17:08:30.146-07:00Thanks, Kathleen! I met a forensic psychologist m...Thanks, Kathleen! I met a forensic psychologist many years ago, and he's the one who enlightened me as to the meaning of the word. And at least the forensic work in CSI *does* have legal implications in the show!Janice M. Sellershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08466785140555595069noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1350318808703965214.post-40204035480842409732014-06-16T17:04:51.265-07:002014-06-16T17:04:51.265-07:00Goodness me, that really was a "because I say...Goodness me, that really was a "because I say so" comment on his part. I learned about forensics when I met a forensic accountant (who also happened to be a genealogist on the side). I was intrigued with the term, being a lover of words. Everything you say is as I learned it - BEFORE the CSI era! LOL<br /><br />Great post, Janice.<br /><br />KathleenMcElrea One-Name Studyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06020516440315580918noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1350318808703965214.post-72152219005276500672014-06-16T16:15:15.211-07:002014-06-16T16:15:15.211-07:00Thank you, Tina!Thank you, Tina!Janice M. Sellershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08466785140555595069noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1350318808703965214.post-23022834997835078492014-06-16T15:01:55.213-07:002014-06-16T15:01:55.213-07:00Thank you, Lynda. I couldn't agree with you m...Thank you, Lynda. I couldn't agree with you more.Janice M. Sellershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08466785140555595069noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1350318808703965214.post-34194831769226797782014-06-16T14:02:29.241-07:002014-06-16T14:02:29.241-07:00Thank you for pointing out the distinct meaning of...Thank you for pointing out the distinct meaning of this term. As a former editor myself, I appreciate correct use of words. People will tend to adopt a word inaccurately, particularly if it seems to lend importance to their activities. Lyndahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16227053688826641789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1350318808703965214.post-19827973737329120572014-06-16T13:06:56.754-07:002014-06-16T13:06:56.754-07:00As it has been mentioned that Mr. Eastman zealousl...As it has been mentioned that Mr. Eastman zealously protects his copyrighted works, I won't copy his comment to his post, but you can read it here:<br />http://blog.eogn.com/2014/06/15/forensic-genealogy-explained/#comment-11380<br /><br />And my response to that is that the definition of forensic is very clear and consistent everywhere I have found it. Someone deciding that he (or she) Janice M. Sellershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08466785140555595069noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1350318808703965214.post-50705421105240866242014-06-16T13:03:20.976-07:002014-06-16T13:03:20.976-07:00Tessa, thanks for letting me know about your exper...Tessa, thanks for letting me know about your experience. If it weren't for the fact that (1) I sent the comment twice and (2) several other comments have been posted, I wouldn't think it was deliberate on his part. I just figured he didn't like what I had to say and therefore didn't approve the comment. That's okay -- my comments are working fine! :)Janice M. Sellershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08466785140555595069noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1350318808703965214.post-63491226355631058632014-06-16T12:56:33.365-07:002014-06-16T12:56:33.365-07:00Janice - don't feel special (kidding) I have c...Janice - don't feel special (kidding) I have commented or asked questions on a few of his posts and he has never responded to anything. I think he prints his posts and that is the end of it. He does not seem interested in any back and forth or engagement on his blog posts (probably should just do away with the comment section). I feel your pain as the first few times nothing showed up, I Tessa Keoughhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09146870113899850353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1350318808703965214.post-52738850984021112092014-06-16T12:49:19.358-07:002014-06-16T12:49:19.358-07:00Thanks for posting and for the kind words, Carolyn...Thanks for posting and for the kind words, Carolyn! I have noticed that tendency of his before, just never had my blog comment not be posted. Someone whose blog consists almost entirely of reposting other people's materials shouldn't have such a double standard, but such is life.Janice M. Sellershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08466785140555595069noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1350318808703965214.post-46251398760155777562014-06-16T11:46:19.335-07:002014-06-16T11:46:19.335-07:00Hi Janice - If you've ever attended one of Dic...Hi Janice - If you've ever attended one of Dick Eastman's webinars, on Legacy or elsewhere, he repeats over and over how his work is under copyright and may not be used by anyone, while at the same time "borrowing" others' ideas for use in his webinars. When I have tried to call him out on these things, my comments during the webinars have been ignored. Bloggers need thick Carolyn Rutherfordhttp://www.rutherfordgenealogy.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1350318808703965214.post-26390178690761330202014-06-16T10:44:42.666-07:002014-06-16T10:44:42.666-07:00Thanks for the support, Dee. As far as I can tell...Thanks for the support, Dee. As far as I can tell, it is only a limited number of people in genealogy who misuse forensic in the way we're discussing. Is that how you see it also?Janice M. Sellershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08466785140555595069noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1350318808703965214.post-72178271639242941262014-06-16T10:26:15.197-07:002014-06-16T10:26:15.197-07:00Janice, your take on the definition matches everyt...Janice, your take on the definition matches everything I have found in exhaustive research since 2005. The Academy of Forensic Sciences, it's affiliated professional organizations, and the legal community all present the same definition. The application of a science or field of work to a case within, or with the potential to progress to, the criminal or civil court system. Cases with legal Dee Dee Kinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08444107040839798397noreply@blogger.com