Saturday, June 28, 2025

Saturday Night Genealogy Fun: Try Out the FamilySearch "Famous Relatives" Page

I knew I wouldn't get far with tonight's Saturday Night Genealogy Fun challenge from Randy Seaver.

Your mission, should you decide to accept it (cue the Mission:  Impossible! music), is:

1.  FamilySearch has a page for "Famous Relatives" at https://www.familysearch.org/en/discovery/famousrelatives.  It works if you are connected to the FamilySearch Family Tree.

2.  Check out the site.  Which connection surprises you?  Do you believe that the connection is correct?

3.  Share your famous relative connection in your own blog post or in a Facebook, SubStack, BlueSky, or other social media post.  Leave a link to your post on this blog post to help us find your post.

I clicked the link and saw this result:

I found it interesting that on the page behind the pop-up, it says, "Results in Famous Relatives are based on the information currently in your family tree."

As I routinely tell people, no individual has a family tree on FamilySearch.  Family Tree is one big collaborative tree to which you may have contributed, but it is not "your" family tree.  So saying that is disingenuous, at best.

I am disappointed that my information has to be entered for me to be able to use the tool.  I don't put information about living people into FamilySearch.  I would prefer that I be able to look up a deceased ancestor and use the tool with that individual.  But that does not serve the greater purpose of Family Tree, so it won't be happening.

Saturday, June 21, 2025

Saturday Night Genealogy Fun: Celebrate World Music Day

Well, I better like tonight's topic for Saturday Night Genealogy Fun, since I'm the person who suggested it to Randy Seaver!

Your mission, should you decide to accept it (cue the Mission:  Impossible! music), is:

1.  According to Wikipedia, today is World Music Day!  How should we celebrate?

2.  How has music affected your life?  What is your favorite music type?  What are your favorite songs?

3.  Share your World Music Day efforts in your own blog post or in a Facebook, SubStack, BlueSky, or other social media post.  Leave a link to your post on this blog post to help us find your post.

[Thank you to Janice Sellers for suggesting this challenge to me.]

I grew up with music and it has always been part of my life.  My father was a musician — he played piano and guitar and sang credibly well.  He used to play guitar and sing for my siblings and me when we were little.  We heard "Sixteen Tons", "Mairzy Doats", and "Aba Daba Honeymoon" often enough that we knew all the lyrics.  Then as we got older he would sometimes try to cut out a verse, but we knew the songs too well and caught him.

I don't remember Daddy singing so much when he played piano, but I remember listening to a lot of boogie woogie and blues.  One year when I posted on my blog for Father's Day, he commented and said that he started piano lessons when he was 8.  And piano was what he played when he competed on Ted Mack's Amateur Hour with Court's Jesters, although that was swing music.

My mother loved music also, but for listening to.  She unfortunately couldn't carry a tune in a bucket; when she was in a singing class, they decided her part was turning pages for the accompanist.  But she adored Broadway and movie musicals and played cast recordings and soundtracks a lot.  Those were more songs that I learned lyrics to.

At least by the time I was 8, possibly earlier, I was taking piano lessons.  Even when I was that young, I had long fingers ("piano-playing fingers", I have often been told), and instead of holding my hands in the correct upright position and playing the keys with my fingertips, I could stretch my hands out and fudge a little.

I wanted to play guitar like my father.  My hands were big enough when I was young that I could handle an adult guitar, rather than one scaled down in size for children.  Daddy was ready to teach me, but then I discovered that you had to cut your fingernails to play (and I couldn't cheat as on the piano), so I gave up on that for a long time.

Once, for some reason I absolutely cannot recall, I had an accordion lesson.  I took the one lesson and decided I never wanted to try to play accordion again.  That I have stuck to.

When my family moved to Australia, I learned to play recorder (an instrument I still own and can play!).  I also sang in some sort of school musical in the 4th grade.

After we moved back to the States, I had chorus for two years.  The first year was great, but then my voice changed, and I couldn't sing alto anymore.  The teacher, Miss Foster, eventually told me I could stand next to the boys and sing tenor, but I used to sing bass.  After that I had a fairly regimented class schedule, and I didn't have room for any more music classes through the end of high school.

When I went to college at the University of Southern California, I had heavy class loads and still no time for music.  But after I graduated, I started working at USC, and the next year, I joined the Trojan Marching Band (The Greatest Marching Band in the History of the Universe).  I didn't play any band instruments, so I started as prop crew (kind of like roadies).  During the spring semester, when we were at a women's basketball game supporting the team, none of the cymbal players had come, and Mark Laycock called out for someone to play the cymbals for "Fight On."  And thus I started on percussion.  I marched three years in percussion in the band, playing cymbals (and occasionally bass drum for some small gigs when a regular bass drummer couldn't make it).

Working at USC, I was able to use tuition remission for classes.  One of things I did was take percussion lessons.  I had a really great teacher.  I think his given name was Dale, and I cannot remember his surname.  He was a spokesman for Sabian cymbals.  He was allowed to go through the warehouse and choose his own, matching them for tone.  His cymbals sounded so beautiful!  I learned I do not have a good enough ear to play timpani and that my broken right index finger severely hampered the way I hold a drumstick.  Or, as I routinely tell people, I am not a drummer; I am a percussionist who can drum a little.

But in the band I had also become enamored of saxophones, because they just sound so cool.  Jeff, one of the tenor sax players, recommended that I start with flute, then work on clarinet, and finally move to sax.  So I started using my tuition remission for those lessons.  I think I took two years of flute (with Gary Anderson) and then two or three of clarinet (with Yehuda Gilad).  Sadly, I never did take up saxophone.  But my fifth year in the band I played clarinet (and learned, after stabbing all the way through my left thumb with an Exacto knife, that there are exactly seven notes you can play on a clarinet without using your left thumb).

Something else I used my tuition remission for was voice lessons.  I sang with groups, I sang solo, I did recitals, I sang anytime I could.  I still love singing.  I participated twice in Songfest, a big student group singing competition.  Both times the group with which I sang placed.  I think I still have the music from both.

A friend of the teacher in one of my group vocal arts classes came around to recruit people to help fill out a new choir she was hired to create in a local church.  I think it was in Hollywood.  As is common with this type of activity, the number of men volunteering were far outnumbered by the women.  I ended up being a bass soloist for the Christmas concert.  Unfortunately, one of my voice instructors tried to make me a mezzo soprano, and I lost two octaves at the bottom of my range, so I can't do that now.

I played in the USC Community Orchestra as a percussionist for several years.  General percussion, no drums.

Oh, and one semester I took a guitar class.  I actually cut my fingernails and made the effort.  I discovered that chords did not make sense in my head.  I was the only student in the class who preferred to pick out melodies.  And then I decided I liked my fingernails more than the guitar.

Eventually I left Los Angeles and moved 400 miles north to Berkeley, where I had an entirely different musical routine.  But I think I'll save that for next year's World Music Day.

I got a little carried away, didn't I?  But music makes me happy.  Let's see, what other questions did Randy ask?  Well, favorite music type — hmm, I suppose "E, all of the above" is probably not a helpful answer.  I really do like almost everything, but if I have to pick favorites, probably show tunes and country.

And the last question was favorite songs.  Wow, that's even harder.  Anything I know the lyrics to and can sing along with ranks high.  "Danny Boy", because that was one of my mother's favorites.  "Sixteen Tons" is probably my favorite of the songs my father used to sing.  "Even Now" always makes me cry.  "Light One Candle", even after all the revelations about Peter Yarrow.  "Do You Hear What I Hear?", even though one of the most well known versions is by Robert Goulet.

Friday, June 20, 2025

Letters from Anita

Anita (Loveman) Sellers and Nanny Ireland, 1960

I wrote a few years ago about the efforts I took to track down my father's youngest half-sister, Carol (http://www.ancestraldiscoveries.com/2021/08/finding-my-aunt-carol.html), and her mother, Anita, so I could return several photographs to them.  After that, Anita and I wrote to each other for a while.  Recently I was going through one of my genealogy folders and found three letters that Anita had written to me.  I had been trying to remember when exactly I had been able to find her, and I guess it must have been around 2001, because that's when the first letter from her is dated.

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17 Oct 01

Dear Janice,

I'm sorry it took me so long to answer.  I really appreciate your sending me the pictures and the family tree for the Sellers family.  This is really a complicated amount of facts.

Your Mother was the second wife of your Dad.  Right?  Her name was Myra Meckler.

Bert always called your Dad, (Sunny).

I'm glad you also sent Carol a copy of the family tree.  Did you get to talk to her.  Please forgive my writing.  After breaking both wrists I tend to scribble.

Thought you might like to know Carol did go to college with my help only.  Her Dad never sent us a penny.  She was 17 and graduated 4 years later from Douglas College in New Brunswick NJ.

I worked at Fort Dix N J for 22 years.  Because I had no college I could not get a higher position than a GS-4 Top Pay.

God has been Good to us and I managed to take care of myself & Carol with no help.

I had to retire at 60 years old as Mother was sick and had to have my help.  She died at age 89 and my husband Henry Reynolds died at 79.  He insisted I go live near Carol in Fla.  I've been here for 12 years.

Pray you are keeping well and thanks again for caring enough to contact me.

All the pictures were of my family or Berts, plus a few friends.  Did you notice too the one of Nanny Ireland.  She stayed with us for 6 months after we were married.

Will close for now and thanks again.

A friend & relative

Anita

P.S. You have such beautiful hand writing.  Hope you are able to read mine.

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19 Nov 01

Dear Janice,

I went through all my photos and found a couple you might like.  I am sending these four because they show Nanny Ireland plus. (other family)

I wrote on the back of them.  They were mostly taken in 1960 while we were visiting (Aunt Bettys in NJ) except for the one of Carol at age 6 months.  I couldn't remember Aunt Catherine's husband's name.

I'm surprised your Dad didn't recognize Nanny Ireland.

You might not want the one of me with Nanny but it was a better one of her. 

I would love to have a picture of you.

I really liked Sonny, as his Dad called him.  I'm sorry if he felt unkind toward me because of his Mom.  I didn't know they were still together.

Yes, I did meet Mary Lou while they were still married and Carol was a baby.

If you would like a picture of me at age 75, I'll send you one.  If you wouldn't I won't be offended.

Hope to hear soon again.

Love Anita

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6 Aug 02

Dear Janice

Was so good to hear from you.

I too want to say thank you for sending me your picture a while back.  I don't think I ever told you thank you.

Glad you were pleased with the picture I sent of Bert's family.  I gave you the one I thought you would want.

No I never saw that picture before.  It looks like a baby boy because the hands and feet are large.  Where did you find this picture?  What was the background on this picture?  The nose and ears don't look like your Dads or Carols.

Please forgive my writing.  My wrist has arthritis in it and hurts when I write much.

Carol has some of your Dad's features.  When Carol was born she had a little bump in one ear (Like a mole).  The doctors took it off.  They told me that your Dad had that same bump or mole in the same ear.

How's your Dad doing?  Say hello to him for me.  He was always nice to me.

I guess the weather there is hot like here.  We have 90's every day.

God is good and I'm doing OK for an old lady  76.

Write me when you get time.  From looking at your picture I can see you have a beautiful personality and a very pretty & sweet face.

I'm so glad you got in touch with me.  Thanks for wanting to know me.  My wrist is really messing up.  Hope you can read this.

Guess I better close for now.

Pray you are keeping well.

Love Anita

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I know I would have told Anita I wanted a photo of her, but she didn't end up sending me one.  So the photos I have of her are from when she was married to my grandfather, which was from June 20, 1953 to August 1961.  The photo in this post is the one she mentioned in her letter of November 2001, taken in 1960 in New Jersey.

Sunday, June 15, 2025

Looking for Mr. Mundy (or a variant thereof)

Mount Munday (north aspect)*.  Maybe I'll discover I'm related to these Mundays!

Yesterday, to celebrate Father's Day on Saturday Night Genealogy Fun, Randy Seaver asked us to write about four generations of our fathers, going back to our great-great-grandfathers.  I still have two men missing in that list:  my paternal grandfather's biological father and his father.  I've been searching for them since I determined through Y-DNA testing that Mr. Sellers was not my grandfather's biological father.  And until yesterday, I had been calling that great-grandfather Mr. X.

But I have made progress!  Just a day or two earlier, I was reviewing my father's DNA matches on Family Tree DNA, and I noticed something significant:  Instead of only one match at 111 markers, there are now four.  All four are named Mundy or a variant.  When you add the man on GEDmatch who matched my father, that makes five named Mundy/Munday/etc.  I call that a trend.

And so I decided to start calling my great-grandfather Mr. Mundy.

He has a name!

Today I spent some additional time looking around to see what else has happened since I had time to work on this particular problem.

One of the matches on Family Tree DNA has posted a family tree going back a few generations.  I used that information to search FamilyTree on FamilySearch.  FamilyTree is the big collaborative tree that everyone can contribute to and argue about.  It's FamilySearch's attempt to create the family tree of the human race.

I realize that not all of the information on FamilyTree is reliable.  Much of it has no sources, or the sources are a little sketchy.  But I figured it couldn't hurt to see where it would take me.

It took me several generations back, eventually to a Nicholas Mundy said to be born about 1645, although no one seems to know where.

Coincidentally, one of the pieces of information on Family Tree DNA led me to a Munday surname study.  And on that site, my father has been linked to the very same Nicholas Mundy based on my father's Y haplogroup and the research people have been doing.

There is a note on the site that my father's grandfather is still unknown and the connection of my father to the Nicholas Munday line is still a guess.

But that's still progress!

One of the tasks I had set for myself in researching the best possibility I have found so far for my grandfather's biological father is to order that man's divorce file, just to see if there is any information in it that can help.  I guess I better get going on that!

*Photo by Andre Charland, April 3, 2005.  Licensed under Creative Commons Attribution 2.0 Generic license.

Saturday, June 14, 2025

Saturday Night Genealogy Fun: Tell Us about the Fathers in Your Tree

Tomorrow is Father's Day, so we knew that fathers would be the topic in some way for tonight's Saturday Night Genealogy Fun with Randy Seaver.

Your mission, should you decide to accept it (cue the Mission:  Impossible! music), is:

1.  It's Father's Day on Sunday.  This week, tell us about the fathers in your tree — their names, their birth and death years and locations, their occupations, the number of spouses, the number of children, etc.  Go back at least four generations if possible through your known second-great-grandfathers.

2.  Share your father list information in your own blog post or in a Facebook, SubStack, BlueSky, or other social media post.  Leave a link to your post on this blog post to help us find your post.

I can handle this!  Well, except for the chart.  Family Tree Maker and I could not agree on producing that, so I'm omitting it.  I'll try to figure out how to beat FTM into submission at a later date.

• Father:  #2 Bertram Lynn Sellers, Jr. (1935 New Jersey to 2019 Florida), automobile mechanic, 3 spouses, 4 children (3 girls, 1 boy)

• Grandfather:  #4 Bertram Lynn Sellers, Sr. (1903 New Jersey to 1995 Florida), civil engineer, 3 spouses, 5 children (3 girls, 2 boys)

• Grandfather:  #6 Abraham Meckler (1912 New York to 1989 Florida), taxi driver, 1 spouse, 3 children (1 girl, 2 boys)

• Great-grandfather:  #8 Mr. Mundy, unknown everything else except at least 1 child (1 boy)

• Great-grandfather:  #10 Thomas Kirkland Gauntt (1870 New Jersey to 1951 New Jersey), farmer, 1 spouse, 10 children (5 girls, 5 boys)

• Great-grandfather:  #12 Morris Mackler (about 1882 Russian Empire to 1953 New York), carpenter, 1 spouse, 7 children (3 girls, 4 boys)

• Great-grandfather:  #14 Joe Gordon (about 1892 Russian Empire to 1955 New York), furrier, 1 spouse, 4 children (1 girl, 3 boys)

• 2nd-great-grandfather:  #16 Mr. Mundy, unknown everything else except at least 1 child (1 boy)

• 2nd-great-grandfather:  #18 Joel Armstrong (1849 New Jersey to maybe 1921 New Jersey), laborer, 1 confirmed spouse, 3 confirmed children (2 girls, 1 boy)

• 2nd-great-grandfather:  #20 James Gauntt (1831 New Jersey to 1899 New Jersey), wheelwright, 1 spouse, 10 children (4 girls, 6 boys)

• 2nd-great-grandfather:  #22 Frederick Cleworth Dunstan (1840 Lancashire to 1873 Lancashire), file grinder, 1 spouse, 6 children (3 girls, 3 boys)

• 2nd-great-grandfather:  #24 Simcha Dovid Mekler (unknown Russian Empire to before 1903 Russian Empire), unknown occupation but carpenter would be a good guess, 1 known spouse, 2 known children (1 girl, 1 boy)

• 2nd-great-grandfather:  #26 Gershon Itzhak Novitsky (about 1856 Russian Empire to 1948 New York), wood turner, 1 official spouse, 7 known children (3 girls, 4 boys)

• 2nd-great-grandfather:  #28 Victor Gordon (about 1863 Russian Empire to 1925 New York), furrier, 2 spouses, 8 children (4 girls, 4 boys)

• 2nd-great-grandfather:  #30 Morris Brainin (about 1861 Russian Empire to 1930 New York), shoemaker, 1 spouse, 8 children (4 girls, 4 boys)

Sunday, June 8, 2025

Investigation: Disneyland

Ever since my cousin told me that the location of the photo with her, her mother, and me in it was at Disneyland, I have been wondering where exactly at Disneyland.

I was talking with friends a couple of weeks ago, and I realized that one of them, who grew up in Burbank, always talks about Disneyland, which got me thinking about the photo.  And it suddenly occurred to me that Disneyland, being the big multinational conglomerate that it is, has to have a corporate archive.  And it does!

You can find the Walt Disney Archives site at https://d23.com/walt-disney-archives/.  According to the home page, it was "established in 1970 to collect, preserve and make available for research the historical materials relating to Walt and the company he founded."  And it even has a page called Ask the Walt Disney Archives!  So I did!

On May 27, I sent the photo of me with my mother that I posted for Mother's Day.  (The questions page did not allow me to send more than one image, or I would have included the photo with my cousin and aunt.)  I wrote that my cousin had identified the location as Disneyland and that I had estimated the year to be 1963.  I asked where at Disneyland the photo was taken.  And then I waited.

And waited.

And almost two weeks later, I still have not heard anything.  Not even one of those automatic responses:  "We have received your inquiry and will be happy to answer you, blah blah blah."

Well, foo.  I want to know where it was.

And today's brilliant light-bulb moment was that I should try searching for the image online myself.  (Yes, I should have thought of that earlier.  Sometimes I'm a little slow on the uptake, but I get there eventually.)

I ran the photo of my aunt, my cousin, and me through Tineye.  And the answer was "TinEye searched over 75.6 billion images but didn't find any matches for your search image."  So much for Tineye.  But I think it looks for the exact image, and I probably have the one and only copy of that photo (well, a scan of it).  On the other hand, it is posted on my blog, which is public and has been available for more than a month, so Tineye should have found it there.  But it didn't.  (I've had that happen before with Tineye.)

Then I tried searching for the photo using Google Lens.  It started off by wanting to focus on the lower left corner of the photo, which is just some of the flowers.  I didn't look at those results.  Instead, I dragged the search square higher and made it larger, so the search image was the upper left corner of the photo, including the yellow flower cart.

Bingo!

Suddenly I had several images that looked very similar to mine, and they are all identified as being at the Flower Market on Main Street in Disneyland.  Two of them are even from 1963, like mine.  And after seeing two photos where the "Flower Market" sign is not in bright sunlight and the words can be clearly read, I recognized that in my own photos.

One photo from 1963 (which was posted on Found some pictures from my grandparents 1963 Disneyland trip!)

Disneyland, People at Flower Market in 1963 (an original slide for sale at eBay)

The Cook family at Disneyland, 1959 (which has the same yellow flower cart as in mine, plus you can read FLOWER MARKET on the sign)

Flower Market - Disneyland 1950s-1970s (#29) (two yellow flower carts in this one, and again you can read FLOWER MARKET on the sign; no exact year, though)

So I answered my own question.  On the other hand, now I know that Disney has an archive.  And if Disney does get back to me, I'll post here what they say.

Saturday, June 7, 2025

Saturday Night Genealogy Fun: Your Favorite Learning Experience This Past Month

Education is always a good thing, including in genealogy, of which Randy Seaver is reminding us tonight for Saturday Night Genealogy Fun.

Your mission, should you decide to accept it (cue the Mission:  Impossible! music), is:

1.  What was your favorite genealogy learning experience this past month?  In-person program? Online Webinar?  YouTube video?  Blog post?  Social media item?  Family history story?

2.  Share your favorite genealogy learning experience in your own blog post or in a Facebook, SubStack, or BlueSky post.  Leave a link on this blog post to help us find your post.

I think my favorite genealogy learning experience during the past month was an online presentation offered by the Charlotte-Mecklenburg LibraryDanielle Pritchett gave a presentation on "Navigating the Slave Schedules" in honor of Juneteenth occurring this month.  It was a realistic approach to using the slave schedules, and she emphasized that you cannot identify someone directly on those schedules, which were part of the census enumerations in 1850 and 1860.  You have to do a lot of research to justify identifying someone on a schedule as a specific person.  I definitely enjoyed the presentation.