Almost everything in this episode revolved around research on one person: John Louis Brown, Richie's great-grandfather. The narrow focus gave us a more in-depth picture of one person than we usually get on the show. Apparently Richie's maternal grandmother had never talked about her father, and no one in the family knew anything about him.
Richie started his journey by going to Tuskegee, Tennessee, to visit his sister Deborah, the keeper of the family photos (shades of Rosie's O'Donnell's brother here). Again, it's always good to start family research by talking to other family members. Together they looked at several photographs, and then Deborah held up a manila envelope that she said had their grandmother's Social Security application (SS-5) in it, which she had not looked at yet. If she hadn't looked at it yet, how did she know that's what it was? Having ordered several of these over the years, I know that occasionally you'll get not a copy of the SS-5 but just a Numident printout, which tells you very little. Even if Deborah hadn't looked at it, obviously somebody must have, because otherwise it could have been a huge disappointment.
The great revelation on the application was that Richie's grandmother had listed both of her parents' names: Louis Brown and Volenderver Towson. (I was disappointed they didn't research Volenderver, because now I'm curious where that name came from. Google showed only 13 hits, and they all referred to Richie's family.) Because his grandmother was born in Nashville, Richie went there to begin his research. At the Nashville Public Library he asked genealogist Mark Lowe how to find information about his great-grandfather. Lowe had a marriage register at hand, and Richie looked for his grreat-grandparents' marriage. Instead of using an index (second episode we've seen that happen, grrr), he paged through a couple of years in the register looking for Brown entries. He found the entry, and his great-grandfather was listed as J. L. Brown. Then Lowe said, "I have another document." (How convenient!) It was a divorce complaint brought by Volenderver against Brown. In the complaint she stated that she had married Brown when she was 15 and he was 50. Lowe then produced the final decree, which granted the divorce.
Richie did the math and determined his great-grandfather was born about 1840 and his great-grandmother was born about 1875. He and Lowe discussed how very different Brown and Volenderver must have been, because Brown had been born a slave and Volenderver had not. I thought this was a rash assumption at the time, because there were free blacks prior to emancipation. This came up again later with an interesting twist.
Next Richie went to the Nashville Metropolitan Archive and spoke with Prof. Don Doyle. They found Brown in two city directories. In 1885 he was listed as SGA Knights of the Wise Men, and in 1880 he was Editor Knights of the Wise Men. The 1880 directory was literally falling apart; I really wish they had not shown it being used. Doyle suggested that Richie find an expert on fraternal organizations to determine what Knights of the Wise Men was. One of the amusing things about this segment was that Doyle could not stop grinning; it made it even harder than usual to suspend disbelief and pretend that Richie was just finding out about all this.
Prof. Corey Walker, the next researcher, explained that the Knights of the Wise Men had been a black fraternal organization that gave support to the community. Among other things, it provided insurance. Brown had been the Supreme Grand Archon (SGA) — the national leader. He also wrote the rules, laws, and regulations for the group. Unfortunately, the group suffered financially after a smallpox epidemic in 1891, when it had to pay out many death benefits, and soon after that the treasurer apparently disappeared with the remaining funds. Brown's marriage to Volenderver fell apart during this period. During this segment, when Richie was talking about the conclusions that could be drawn from the information he'd been given, he stumbled over his words a lot and it came out very oddly. It kind of seemed that he started to say more than he would have known if all the research hadn't been done already and then tried to backtrack.
Richie went next to Chattanooga, where the Knights of the Wise Men had been based. He spoke with historian LaFrederick Thirkill at the public library. Thirkill had a 1929 city directory ready, which showed that Brown was working as a caretaker at Pleasant Gardens Cemetery. Richie asked if there was any more information. Thirkill showed him a small booklet which had a biography and a photo of Brown. Then Richie asked, "What happened to him?" Thirkill produced Brown's death certificate. (I was thinking, "Gee, I wish all of my research questions could be answered that easily!") Richie looked at the death certificate and saw that Brown's father was listed as Morgan Brown, but for mother it said, "don't know." Then Richie said what is probably one of the best lines I have heard on this series: "Don't you just love records like that?"
Not surprisingly, since he was the caretaker there, Brown was buried at Pleasant Gardens. Thirkill took Richie to the cemetery, which appeared to be in very poor condition. The few tombstones that were shown were broken and/or falling over, and the grounds looked as though they had gone to seed. Brown was buried in the paupers' section, and Thirkill said that as far as he could tell there had been no stone.
Now, back to the question of whether Brown had been born a slave. Richie returned to Nashville and went to the Tennessee State Library and Archives, where he spoke with Dr. Ervin L. Jordan. Jordan had found Brown's application for a pension based on his service during the War between the States. Brown had stated that he served as a servant to his owner, Morgan W. Brown. Thinking it was too much of a coincidence that Brown's death certificate listed his father as Morgan Brown, Richie wanted to pursue this.
|Morgan W. Brown|
Richie returned to Los Angeles to share his discoveries with "two of my children" (the phrasing sounded very odd) and with his sister Deborah, who must have been flown out for the wrap-up. He was able to make some strong comparisons between his great-grandfather, who had grown up in somewhat of a protective bubble for the time period because of Dr. Brown's instructions, and himself and his sister, who had been protected by their mother and grandmother from learning about the racial problems going on around them while they were growing up. He also showed the picture of Morgan W. Brown and told them he was either John Louis Brown's father or half-brother. His children were pretty subdued, but his sister got very excited and emotional. I hope the Richies continue to pursue more family history research and maybe find answers to some of the lingering questions.
I was disappointed as well that they didn't explain Morgan W. Brown better. Even details about where they lived, where Morgan Brown's will was written. Did Morgan W. Brown have any children with a married woman, what was the ancestry of the Brown family.ReplyDelete
I became very interested! I'm from Brown's in Tennessee that were Scottish and moved on to Carlinville, Illinois in 1830!
I am actually a descendent of Dr. Morgan Brown IV, which was his father. I was searching for more information about him and that's how I stumbled upon this. I found that Morgan W. Brown was a federal judge in TN. He married Ann Childress and they had three legitimate children: 1 boy and 2 girls.Delete
Dr. Brown was born in NC and after the Revolutionary War, he moved to TN. My last name is Jones and we are still in NC. I guess Morgan W. Brown's brother Robert (who is my connection to Dr. Brown) moved back to NC and we have stayed here ever since.
But I have traced this line of my heritage back to 1520 and they were English, so I'm not sure if this is the same line you are from.
Im also a desecdent of Morgan Brown as well, my grandfather (here in Nashville is Morgan W. Brown. the VIII I believe.Delete
If anyone has more details please email me @ email@example.com :)
Good luck with your research! I hope someone contacts you.Delete
Thanks for your comments, Joanne. I realize they're constrained by the air time for an episode (about 42 minutes once you account for commercials), but it seems that they should be able to fit in little pieces of information like that. Maybe that was more of what they couldn't find. But now you have some new leads for your own Brown research, right?ReplyDelete
What they didn't mention was that Morgan W. Brown was a Federal Judge. He died in 1853 when John Louis Brown would have been about 14 years old. JLB would have been well aware of his father's identity, career, and importance in the community. Mariah may have died when JLB was quite young which could account for why her name was unknown at the time of JLB's death. Since his father's name was known, it seems likely that he was acknowledged as MWB's son.ReplyDelete
It does make sense that John Louis Brown was acknowledged as Morgan W. Brown's son. And if Morgan W. died in 1853, then he obviously could not have been the Morgan Brown for whom John Louis Brown was a servant in the Civil War. So WDYTYA left a huge gaping hole here. Did Morgan W. have children through another relationship and was one of them named Morgan W. also?ReplyDelete
I found this a fascinating episode, then I saw a photograph of J L Brown, and couldn't believe the resemblance to my father and grandmother. My grandmother was adopted as a baby. While I doubt there's a connection, it made me wish they'd gone into any relationships Mr. Brown had had. Maybe they don't know....ReplyDelete
I enjoyed this article, thanks!
I'm glad you enjoyed the post! It's true that the odds are probably not in favor of a connection, but stranger things have turned up when deep research is done.ReplyDelete
One of the things I liked about this episode is that I could perceive a family resemblance between Lionel and his ancestors J.L. Richie/Brown and his great grandfather or uncle Morgan W Brown. They all have big long narrow heads with prominent chins. I think his son got the family head shape too.ReplyDelete
The other resemblance Richie commented on was the line down the center of the forehead, which was clearly visible in the photo of J. L. Brown. I don't remember noticing that on Richie's son, but maybe it will show up later in life?ReplyDelete
I thought Louis looked just like Brad Pitt (when he has a beard.) He looked blond. He must have been very bright to be able to do all of the things he did. How sad he ended up in an unmarked grave. How unfair. I kept hoping Lionel Richie would end the show by announcing he would pay to restore the cemetery. No such luck.ReplyDelete
Thanks for your comments. I think it's said when anyone ends up in an unmarked grave. I had the same idea about Richie offering to restore the cemetery, so I guess we were both disappointed in that.ReplyDelete
J.L. Brown was not a body servant to Morgan W. Brown in the Civil War, he was servant to John C. Thompson.ReplyDelete
What is your source for the information? That's not what was stated in the episode.ReplyDelete
The series does tell us many times that researchers are finding the information and the stars are presented with their findings. And with a tv show the time constraints are down to the second so they can't fit in one more little bit here and there that doesn't directly relate to the search and presenting the story as a compelling drama. It isn't a DIY guide to genealogical research. I would have liked to have found out the meaning of Volenderver but it sounds as if nobody knows. Thompson's name was on the pension document.ReplyDelete
I love this show and think it does very well with emotionally difficult material and complicated histories. Perhaps stars wish to fix up graves or do other things after the show that they don't want publicized, just as private citizens. Now and then there's a note at the end to tell us more but they've already given us a huge piece of themselves and don't owe us anything.
I totally agree with you. Lionel became very emotional while he was at the cemetaty and not that it matters his emotions appeared to be very genunine. He is also a very private (as much as he can be) person. I would bet he will restore the cemetary and it all could be in the works. There is a process to everything such as, city/county permits, certifications, state laws, etc. I enjoyed the episode and I'm a hugh fan of Lionel Richie starting with his day with the Commodores. I went to all of their concerts..those were the good old days. The group is much older than I am but I'm just old school. Thank you Janice for sharing with us!Delete
You are very welcome! The discussion of this episode has proven to be very popular. It obviously touched people in a lot of different ways.Delete
Unfortunately, I have not had time to watch the video of this episode again. Can you please tell me where on the pension document Thompson's name appears?ReplyDelete
More detail: Lt John C. Thompson, Tennessee 20th Infantry, Company CReplyDelete
Hi. it is sept.10.2011. Was Just watching the Show on Lionel richie, you guys are just amasing. that was great in how you found all of that in the archieves, I see that he was taken back in your findings. just hard to see that the records where in that great of shape. Just wish I could find OUT that the Runor of my past is or is not true.?? .. My dad's.. dad, was a Johnson Vallie.. & my Gradma was a Clifton. . round.. Wren OH. . Most of them where Farmers?? LARRY G. JOHNSON 46750.ReplyDelete
I know this is a few years after the original posting but I just watched the Lionel Ritchie episode on Youtube.ReplyDelete
I thought it was interesting how they were careful not to show any surprise to the fact that J.L. Brown looked so white. I mean, there was nothing in his facial features that would have led me to believe that he had "colored" blood (as was called at the time). So surely, how could they pretend to be surprised when they found out that Morgan Brown was a slaveowner and that the "unknown" mother was a slave? That rang really wrong for me.
I'm also not sure why you felt that the wording "sharing with 2 of my children" was odd. Lionel Ritchie has 3 children (as was shown in the photograph during the introduction), the 3rd child being the famous socialite Nicole Ritchie. From what I have read, she was adopted by Ritchie and his wife at the time, so genealogical information about her adopted father probably wouldn't be too relevant to her, hence why perhaps Lionel was sharing the results with "two of his" children. There also could be other reasons (like only 2 of his children lived at home at the time?) to explain the very reasonable wording, IMO.
I agree with the comment that was made by another user that this doesn't seem to be a show that aims at teaching people how to conduct genealogical research (besides paying for an Ancestry.com subscription or using it at their library) and I don't think that any viewers (besides genealogy professionals like you) actually think or even care that the celebrities actually do their own research. Being celebrities, they obviously will have access to far more resources with far more ease than you or I would, unfortunately.
Personally, I don't think that anyone, it being the Mormons, Ancestry.com or any other entities, should be entitled to charge for what should be public information about all of our ancestors. It's disgusting that we are nickled and dimed to see information that is contained in repositories that are already supported by tax payers.
Otherwise, thanks for your posts about the series. I find them an interesting companion when watching the episodes.
Thanks for posting! I'm glad to hear my posts make good companions to the series.Delete
What bothers me about the celebrities not doing their own research is that in many of the episodes it's scripted to suggest they do. I just don't like the misleading approach. And I agree, they definitely have far more resources to devote to research if they want to. But with WDYTYA, they didn't have to -- the show did it for them.
I do have to disagree with you, however, about charges for access to records, at least for online digitized ones. It costs a lot to prepare records for digitization, digitize them, prepare the files for online, create databases, maintain Web sites, etc. I don't see it as unreasonable that companies that invest the money should be allowed to charge. I will also point out that the Mormons do not charge for access to anything on FamilySearch.org.
For records that are not online, government offices used to run on a cost-recovery basis, which is also reasonable. It seems nowadays, though, that some offices have decided that genealogists are cash cows and they can charge what appear to be outrageous prices. That's a whole different thing.
Lionel Richie is a FRAUD. He lied to ancestry.com and Who do you think you are. They traced his tree on his . Adopted mother side of family. Judge Brown is his Adopted mother descendant. His biological father name Delta Jones from Bolivar Tn. His Biological mother is white she met Delta Jones whom is black they worked together @ a fair. She got pregnant by Delta and back then if u had a child by a white woman he might would have gotten lench. So her mother made her put Lionel up for adoption. That teacher from Tuskegee Alabama is his Adopted mother. I have proof to back me up because I am a blood relative of Lionel Richie on his Father side Delta Jones!!!!!!Delete
Thank you for posting, and thanks also for calling me to explain more about your opinion of the episode. I'm glad we had the opportunity to talk. As I mentioned to you when we spoke, we don't know what information Richie gave to the WDYTYA researchers. He might have told them only about his adoptive parents; he might have mentioned his biological parents and said he wasn't close to them; he might have given them all the information he knew about both sides and the producers chose the story they thought was more interesting. And those are just the three possibilities that came to my mind first. I hope you follow through on my suggestion to write to him and ask about his side of the story. To be fair, he at least deserves a chance to say something on the subject. I don't know if he'll answer, but I know for sure that he can't answer if you don't write. If he does answer, I hope you let us know what he said.Delete
What Anonymous said about Lionel Ritchie is true. Lionel came to Bolivar to meet his biological father back in the 1980's or so. Bolivar planned a Lionel Ritchie day but he backed out and decided to stick with the family that raised him. The Jones family are native American, black and white. My mother and Delta Jones are first cousins. There were about 100 first cousins all of them are deceased but maybe one or two. My aunt is 94. If you research a Bolivar newspaper you should find this information.Delete
Thank you for the additional information about Ritchie and his connection to Bolivar. Many adult adoptees have a precarious time navigating between adoptive and biological families, so I will not so readily indict Ritchie without knowing his side of the story. I look at the fact that he went to Bolivar as generally a positive thing.Delete
I don't think FRUAD is the appropriate way to describe Lionel; I think he went with what he knew and had been taught. I am a baby boomer myself and in those days a lot of things were not reveiled and I don't think they were intentional met to be kept as secret. People were more ashamed of their sins or shortcomings which we all have. I have to agree with Janice that he chose to go with the Foster side because they actully raised him and adopted him and they did a dang good job considering that he was borned in the late 40s in the South. God bless you Lionel.Delete
Remember, I said I don't know if he himself chose to research his foster family, or if the WDYTYA producers made that decision. I agree, though, with the other points you made, that how we look at things now is different from what people die in the mid-20th century.Delete
If this is true about Lionel Richie, does anyone know if his sister Deborah was adopted too, or is she the biological daughter of the parents from Tuskegee? I have always loved Lionel and enjoyed this show immensely, even bought a copy of it off Amazon. Lionel and John Brown even favored.ReplyDelete
I unfortunately do not know, but perhaps one of the posters who has more knowledge of the family will respond to your question.Delete
Yes, if anyone has any more information on this, I would love to know.
I have just watched this episode on the History Channel and enjoyed it greatly. I am still confused about the two Morgan Browns. To me, JL Brown's father must be Dr Brown even despite the Dr's advanced age. I say this because in his will he is very generous and somewhat familiar with Mariah. it doesn't make sense to me that Morgan W Brown be JL's father and Dr Brown writes about Mariah in his will and diary. Thoughts on this??ReplyDelete
Also in regards to previous posts about Lionel Ritchie researching his adoptive family - why would he say that there is a facial resemblance between him and JL Brown?
Slightly confused but I thoroughly enjoyed his journey.
I haven't watched the episode since it aired, so please forgive me if I'm a little fuzzy on details at this point. I'm going by what I wrote in my review of the episode. Morgan the son was old enough to have fathered J. L. Brown, and the doctor was about 80. I could see the doctor writing about J. L. in his diary if his son was the father, because that would make J. L. his grandson. If Mariah were a house slave, the doctor might have known her fairly well even if the son had fathered J. L.Delete
As for a facial resemblance between Richie and Brown, it wouldn't be the first time someone saw a resemblance between an adoptee and family members. Also, depending on how Richie deals with his own adoption and what he actually told the show's producers, if (I repeat *if*) he had not informed them that this was an adoptive family connection, he might have mentioned the resemblance to strengthen the story.
It's amazing how often these episodes end with some slight confusion. I put it down to the fact that they go for what they consider to be the most interesting parts to air, and the facts that would connect everything and make the story clear the audience doesn't get to see.
Thank you Janice for your response. Your memory is serving you well ;)ReplyDelete
I have often called my memory one of my "secret weapons" for genealogy research. ;)Delete
I'm a Brown from KyReplyDelete
. The Brown /Richey family was well known in and around Lexington (wealthy) in the 1800s. We are also related to the Fosters (2 different ways, I think). The Richey ancestor was Samuel and is buried in a family cemetery near Versailles, Ky.
Thank you for sharing the information!Delete